The
new book "Collusion" is about what the author, my guest
Luke Harding, says appears to be an emerging pattern of collusion
between Russia, Donald Trump and his campaign. Harding also writes
about how Russia appears to have started cultivating Trump back in
1987.
The book is based on original reporting as well as on the
Trump-Russia dossier compiled by former British intelligence agent
Christopher Steele. Harding met with Steele twice, once before and
once after the dossier became public.
Harding had a lot of good
contacts to draw on for this book because he spent four years as the
Moscow bureau chief for the British newspaper The Guardian. During
that time, the Kremlin didn't like some of the stories Harding was
investigating, and in 2011, he was expelled.
In Moscow, he learned a
lot about Russian espionage partly through his own experience of
being spied on and harassed.
Harding
is now a foreign correspondent for The Guardian. He's also the author
of books about WikiLeaks, Edward Snowden and Alexander Litvinenko,
the former Russian spy who fled to England, passed information to
British intelligence about links between the Kremlin and the Russian
mafia and then was assassinated with polonium-spiked tea.
Luke
Harding, welcome back to FRESH AIR. So the dossier said that the
Russian regime had been cultivating, supporting and assisting Donald
Trump for at least five years with the goal of encouraging splits and
divisions in the Western alliance.
You write that the Russians had
their eyes on Donald Trump as early as the 1970s when he married
Ivana Trump, who is from Czechoslovakia. Why were they keeping an eye
on him in the '70s? What were they looking for?
LUKE
HARDING: Well, the KGB really forever has been interested in
cultivating people, actually, who might be useful contacts for them,
identifying targets for possible recruitments possibly to be agents.
That's not saying that Donald Trump is an agent, but the point is
that he would have been on their radar certainly by 1977 when he
married Ivana, who came from Czechoslovakia, a kind of communist
Eastern bloc country.
And we know from Czechoslovak spy records
de-classified last year that the spy agencies were in contact with
Ivana's father, that they kept an eye on the Trumps in Manhattan
throughout the 1980s.
And we also know, from defectors and other
sources, that whatever Prague learned, communist Prague, would have
been funneled to the big guys in Moscow, to the KGB. So there would
have been a file on Donald Trump.
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